tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7712706263695364665.post4473705814465619751..comments2023-09-28T09:58:52.368+00:00Comments on Critical Faculty Dojo: Suspect attempted mass murderer’s self justification full of holesCFD Edhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14176957304124700156noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7712706263695364665.post-75834784027466189462008-04-17T09:03:00.000+00:002008-04-17T09:03:00.000+00:00Yes they are real and I dealt with this above, so ...Yes they are real and I dealt with this above, so to some extent I am reiterating my points. I wasn’t claiming they were professional, in fact I specifically highlighted reasons why they are not. <BR/><BR/>The IRA were/are much more professional and they were effectively much more integrated/imbedded in Anglo-Irish/British culture <BR/><BR/>The whole point is that <I>these</I> terrorists are not professionals almost by definition - they are a disposable resource, rather like stupid girls who act as drug couriers.<BR/><BR/>These people do still need to be stopped though. You seem to be suggesting it would be possible to rely on their own incompetence to protect us from their real intentions. When a country does that they end up with things like the Madrid train bombings, 9/11 or the Tube bombings.<BR/><BR/>I fully agree we should not let the potential threat eat into our liberties or rights, or inconvenience us to any great extent, the chances of being killed by terrorists in the UK are significantly less than being killed in a road accident. <BR/><BR/>You may have a point that 9/11 caused something of a paradigm shift and opened the eyes of many to the fact that murdering terrorists are murdering terrorists and not romantic freedom fighters. <BR/><BR/>It is a shame that sometimes it takes something like that to do it. But as you point out the IRA are professionals and know the value of the right sort of image and publicity in the right sort of place, being embedded in sections of American political culture too.CFD Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14176957304124700156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7712706263695364665.post-60836744231250175352008-04-17T05:24:00.000+00:002008-04-17T05:24:00.000+00:00Dangerously real? In the years since 2001 they ha...Dangerously real? In the years since 2001 they have managed exactly one successful attack in the UK.<BR/><BR/>How many did the IRA manage in a similar period?<BR/><BR/>When they start arresting and prosecuting credible terrorists who can manage to terrorise without killing themselves (or their pawns) I'll worry until then I'll quietly thank OBL for convincing the americans to stop encouraging and funding the IRA.Baht Athttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00106474048004220143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7712706263695364665.post-52039148527419733162008-04-16T08:05:00.000+00:002008-04-16T08:05:00.000+00:00Baht At, The fact is that if the ‘nutters’ under ...Baht At, The fact is that if the ‘nutters’ under discussion had been left to their own devices and they had got lucky - then there would have been a bloodbath, just like there was on the London Tube and bus bombings.<BR/><BR/>Most normal people can’t get their head round suicide bombers, especially those who seem to actually prefer to go up with their bombs. <BR/><BR/>They are ‘bic’ terrorists, disposable resources, and so almost bound to be flaky and amateurish by their natures. Going for the grandstand and imaginary shag pad in heaven after. <BR/><BR/>It’s the ones who aren’t so dumb talk them into it, train and finance them and wave them off.<BR/><BR/>So they are only nominally ‘nutters’ not clinically insane - they are still criminals and responsible for their own evil actions.<BR/><BR/>So no. I don’t think it is a Government put up. It’s dangerously real. <BR/><BR/>But I do think you have some right of it. I do think the government are taking advantage of it to advance other agenda.CFD Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14176957304124700156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7712706263695364665.post-68051664426201902692008-04-15T20:21:00.000+00:002008-04-15T20:21:00.000+00:00Spot on – absolutely. As I was pointing out it was...Spot on – absolutely. As I was pointing out it was a pretty poor justification, logic so full of holes you could use it to drain spaghetti and about as cringe worthy as those adverts where a company owner who can’t act insists on getting in on the action.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the meta context disguises it some too, murder carries it's own gravitas.<BR/><BR/>The only way these immature grotesque grandstanders have got away with any credibility up to now is we couldn’t understand how bad their martyrdom videos were. <BR/><BR/>Having said that people often don’t get that without it being OTT obvious. Ali G, or maybe Alan Partridge could rub it in ‘till most everyone got it.CFD Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14176957304124700156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7712706263695364665.post-7679724600118026292008-04-15T13:08:00.000+00:002008-04-15T13:08:00.000+00:00I think it is high time Ali G was dusted off to do...I think it is high time Ali G was dusted off to do a martyrdom video.<BR/><BR/>They need some more ridicule to follow up from the "muppet show" we had in the middle of last year.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153744692290896812noreply@blogger.com